Board Thread:Game Discussion/@comment-31526827-20190514081652/@comment-28169398-20190519170717

Formula Emre wrote:

No need for an "update" to nerf a car in "special event"... They've done it "explicitly" countless times in special events including gauntlets. Except that they didn't change anything here. All of those "explicit" times were explicit because they told us.

I have driven my fully upgraded Bugatti exactly the same way in WTTT right after the event and I discovered I could brake at least several meters later at every single turn. You struggled to get by 7.2, then you may want to consider your skills before you start to preach about what you know about driving and what the game is doing.

But at 7.2 the car would understeer even if I braked a couple of meters later. And I had fully determined the exact braking and accelerating points for every single turn. If I braked any later the car would understeer at the turn. If I accelerated any earlier at the turn exit the car would oversteer. Doubtful, unless you are a simulation. No one, not even Speed Junkie can exactly replicate their laps.

You are basicallly saying most people drove more carefully at 7.2 because of the darkness, the bots, the time pressure etc, which is right. But, doesn't that mean that people would have to brake earlier in WTTT when they drive more aggressively because they attain higher speeds in straights???

But the exact opposite happened. I was able to brake way way way later at every single turn in WTTT. And it's not only that. I was able to get on the gas earlier at every single turn exit. At 7.2 the car would oversteer immediately if I tried to get on the gas any earlier. I ignored this comment before, but as you have repeated it, this shows a lack of understanding of how to drive a corner on a track. You can brake later, from a higher speed, when you are running an ideal line than you can when you are off line. If a bot is sitting on the ideal line, by default you are not on it. Given the increased angle going into a turn you would have to brake earlier at a slower speed than you would from the ideal line. If you don't, you are putting a lot more load through your outside tires, the car won't rotate as much (as the are being used to stop the car and aren't ready to accept steering input), understeer into entry, and if you try to get back on the power too soon, and are holding the steering lock, especially in this game where it is, for the most part, on off acceleration, you will get snap oversteer.

All of that will effect your exit speed, meaning you go even slower, and likely means that you catch the next bot at the next critical, but inconvenient moment on the track.

Some people might trust and believe Edmondson and other developers. But I know what I've experienced really well. Raced the same exact car at the same exact circuit right after the event. I believe and trust my own experience. I can tell when a car's performance changes drastically between two races... And they have given absolutely no reasonable explanation for that. The reasonable explanation is your lack of skill. You aren't consistent enough to drive the same race from one rack to a next... Most everyone can't. Unless you are a top tier professional driver. If you were Hendrick Drue, then maybe I might say there is something to what you are saying, but even he wasn't consistent enough to become McLaren's sim driver.

Edit: And you say you did 7.2 with three different upgrade set ups. You had to upgrade the car two times which will make it feel like a different car each time. It'll make it harder to sense the difference once you do the WTTT.

I did all day 7 fully upgraded from start to finish. It took me exacly 27 minutes to pass 7.2. I just determined the exact braking and accelerating points for each turn just for the fun of it. That's why it took me 27 minutes in total. If I would brake any later, I would understeer. If I accelerated any earlier I would oversteer. And obviously passed 7.3 on my first try after that. And then I did WTTT. And BOOM! I immediately discovered I can brake way later at every single different turn. And that I can get on the throttle earlier at every single turn exit too. 27 minutes fully upgraded! After trying for a few hours at 3's, I passed 7.2 in 5 or 6 tries by adding the final tire and wheel upgrade. Fully upgraded to start the day I think it would have been two or three tries just to get a sense of where the bots where. People will believe what they want to believe. I just wanted to share my experience. And I know I'm not alone. Countless players experienced the exact same thing.

And it wasn't the first special event where it happened. But this time it was totally unmistakable for me and for countless others. This was the first special event that was tuned by the new head designer, who happens to be a racer. If you watch Real Racing 3 Speed Junkie and ME7's videos of 7.2, you will see that even though they were at different upgrades, bots were pretty much encountered on the same places on track. They were put where they were because the designer understands where you want to place your car to defend your position and not allow the overtake to occur. What you experienced is how a good driver in a slightly slower car defends his position.