Board Thread:Game Discussion/@comment-31526827-20191221124642

I know this is already covered but I need to chime in one more time.

I've "felt it in my gut" that the car physics has changed but in all the threads basically the back and forth is based on "it feels like" and "I remember that it was like this and now it's like that"

Memories and feelings. So, I get that there is wiggle room; I even had a tiny bit of doubt, even thought it SURE felt like I was right in saying that the backends of cars were just sliding out way more than ever before.

Tonight I was able to absolutely without question prove it to myself.

I got back earlier from traveling and decided to get in a few laps. So, of course, I did the WTTT. I did it with the Austin Martin and, man, it was a struggle to keep the backend from fishtailing but I did it. Solid B.

Then I noticed some team mates had some slightly better times with the McLaren and I thought, I'll give it a try. I happen to that that care both FU and VIP. Note: I ONLY VIP cars that I truly enjoyed driving. I would not VIP a car that had bad handling, I just wouldn't. So, I tried it and, I hate to admit that it would take me between 5-10 tries JUST to complete a lap. Forget about good time, I just couldn't get around the track without that sucker just slipping around and banging into walls.

Gave up and was going to go to bed when I realized, ahha! I have my 2nd AppleTV upstairs in my bedroom and it hasn't been turned on in a month or so. I check and lo and behold it was NOT updated to 8, it was still on 7.6!

So, I found a single lap race at Mt Panorama with the 675LT. WHOA! Made it aorund the first time in good time. Then, after about 4 more tries I put in a time better than anything I had on my 8.0 system. Went downstairs, ran the same race using the 8.0 AppleTV box and hahaha so obvious it was painful. I was driving two different cars.

You literally can no longer tell me that this isn't happening. Here I am driving the Same Car on the Same Track/time of day using the same device and controller within a minute of each other (so not even good day vs bad day) and I'm going a full second or almost 2 seconds quicker around Panorama on 7.6 than I can on 8 and it's all due to rear end fish tailing.

And, I gotta tell you, as far as I'm concerned, the real proof in the pudding is that skid at the beginning of TT's. That's when the car is still under game control, basically, under a bot that's runnin SA: High, BA: High, TC: ON -- and it skids, fishtails.

The physics or another element in the game engine changed in 8.0. Period. I do NOT believe it was something FM intended to have this effect. I do NOT believe they did it to in any way harm or negatively impact our play. I feel certain it's an error that was overlooked. An effect that worked as they expected for the reason they did it but they didn't expect or noticed that it had this side effect. I have to believe that with all these post and comments that they must have looked at this and I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are going to fix it in 8.1. If they don't, then I'll be mad. Right now it's just a bug; happens. IF it's not fixed in 8.1, that'd be dumb.

Sorry for the wall of text, I'm kinda venting. Up until now I couldn't prove it 100% to myself - but after doing a side by side 7.6 vs 8.0 race (and I did it many many times) there is no doubt. I tried a few other cars and found the same results. 